Suspension, Steering and Brakes Tein Superstreet. Track rod end problem..

Discussion in '7th Generation (2001-2005)' started by Lance, Wednesday 25th Nov, 2009.

  1. Lance Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Basically my mate has rescently brought a 02 EP3 and stuck on some second hand Tein superstreet suspension.


    But in 3 weeks hes gone through 2 front left track rod ends, but the car is about 50mm drop on the front.


    So,


    Are they ment to come with teins own Track rod ends? And if they don't, what do you think is causing the problem?


    He also doesnt drive it hard.
     
  2. MeisterR Commercial Services Trader

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    I can't say for certain if that is the cause, but the fact that the car is lowered 50mm mean there are alot of pressure put onto the track rod end.


    The standard suspension on the EP3 have a steering arm that the track rod end goes in to, and that angle changes when you change the ride height of the car.


    What that mean is now that track rod is like a V shape instead of parallel to the steering arm.


    That is one reason why MeisterR designed the straight steering arm.


    This arm relocate the standard track rod further down, so it relief the stress place on the track rod end of a lower car, plus it also reduce the "Bump Steer" problem that many EP3 / DC5 owners face with lowered suspension.


    Here is a picture of them, you can see how the arm is different from the TEIN coilovers.


    EP3coilovers.


    You can raise the car up a bit to see if that help solve the issue, if not you can get an "inverted" tie rod kit that relocate the rod end by mounting it under the steering arm.
     
  3. ek-greeny Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    no matter how low it shouldnt do 2 trackrod ends in 3 weeks mate!


    when he says they are going how does he know, what are they symtoms? whos diagnosing it?


    is he buying genuine or cheap shite or just non gen blueprint ones?
     
  4. TDi North Commercial Services Trader

    ? I agree with what your saying, but the track rod end is threaded onto the steering arm, so regardless of any suspension setup, its allways going to be parralell?
     
  5. MeisterR Commercial Services Trader

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    Like I said, I am not certain.


    I am just thinking if the track rod are not at the right angle, especially 50mm off, would that not add a lot of stress on the track rod end?


    But like Greeny said, it shouldn't go through 2 track rod end in 3 weeks...
     
  6. TDi North Commercial Services Trader

    Yeh, the whole track rod would be at an angle though.


    When the new track rod end is fitted, is it a tight fit into the coilover?


    Also, check that the track rod isn't bent.
     
  7. L.Tang Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    i think i may be having the same problem tho i havent been thru tack rod ends yet, but its making my steering very difficult to drive straight in the past i have had tracking, four wheel alignment done etc and its fine for a day or two then it goes back to its normal self by having really difficult directlional steering meaning i cnt keep the car straight when i finally go straight the steering wheel is at a angle, i have lowered my car the lowest on tein superstreets i think i don't fink they lower by that miuch im guessing about 30mm??? u recon answer is new track rod end? new coilovers like meister'r's? or not lower it as much? and its compulsary tht i have coilovers cuz i f**kin love them!!!


    advice please!!
     
  8. ryanthetriad Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    I have a similar problem to you, but not soo bad, Im guessing you lowered the car way too much the tracking rod can't handle it, or its bent. I'll get my car down to 20mm next week and get the wheel alignement and track n balance all done and see if I still got that problem your on about. Could be your not going to the right places to get them wheel alignments done etc.
     
  9. ek-greeny Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    If it was the fact that the car is 2low then I'd imagine that it would fuck both rod ends not just the 1. What is suggest is checking the rack arms are straight and also haven't got any play. As Lou said the rod end n rack arm can only be parellell so the only part of the track rod end that can be damages or worn would be the ball joint on the end
     
  10. CivicTypeReplica Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    When i dropped to my current level, about 45-50mm drop, i got play in both track rod ends in about 3 weeks, and i assume they were fitted from new.


    this was about february 2009.


    i then fitted a set of blueprint ends and they have been great ever since.


    i have a set of inverted ends and a track rod raiser bracket sat in sotorage, waiting to go on when i get bushes, rcas, etc.


    i can only assume that there is an independant fault on the nearside which is causung rapid deterioration of your track rod ends. maybe obvious, maybe not. are the wheels aligned correctly? have you the same amount of steering lock one way as you have the other?


    need to check it all out!
     
  11. L.Tang Valued Contributor ★ ★ ★ ☆ ☆

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    civictypereplica i like the sound of blueprint ends?? what are they and send me linkage please lol i fink i may try tht out and see if it sorts my steerin out!!
     
  12. CivicTypeReplica Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Hi tang


    blueprint are a cheap aftermarket parts firm, who specialise in Japanese cars. The firm is actually called ADL, with blueprint as the jap division IIRC.


    Anyway, the ends I got were 15 quid each, they're made in japan, and are OEM quality. They have been spot on so far!


    Speak to your local motor factors about getting some!


    Cheers, sam.
     
  13. ryanthetriad Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Can't we buy the blueprint stuff online?
     
  14. TDi North Commercial Services Trader


    I've experienced this on a couple of CTR's.


    If when, you get the car alligned, and it's great on the guages, but then seems to be crap again out on the road, I would think that there is definatley play in some part of the suspension.


    Between wheel bearings, worn track rod ends, worn dampers, damper mounts etc etc I've seen it a few times now. Have it checked out by your garage/tuner.


    ( FWIW, i used to do the FRS and suspension work at TDI-North )
     
  15. CivicTypeReplica Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    My car appears to have play in the rack when it is jacked up, but it drives real nice.


    I don't know if this play is taken up when the rack is switched on and loaded, or I just don't notice it and call it "hazy EP3 steering"


    odd thing is there is no knock when shaking the steering, yet the rack (internal, not the casing) definitely wobbles a few mm each way when th car is raised...


    Hmm...?
     
  16. TDi North Commercial Services Trader

    IIRC, I got an E-mail from a contact at my Honda dealership, regarding problems with the EP3 steering racks.


    He fax'd me accross an exploded view of the steering rack, with a couple of parts circled that have been to be causing problems, causing play and sometimes knocking noises.


    At the time he was pretty sure it would have been a recall job, but there have been no recalls so far, the parts wear down, but they never wear down to a point where they would fail.


    This has to have been over 1 year ago and I can't remember which parts were supposedly causing the problems :Angry:


    A few cars that had the problem, went back to Honda and had the work done under warrantee.
     
  17. TDi North Commercial Services Trader

    IIRC, I got an E-mail from a contact at my Honda dealership, regarding problems with the EP3 steering racks.


    He fax'd me accross an exploded view of the steering rack, with a couple of parts circled that have been to be causing problems, causing play and sometimes knocking noises.


    At the time he was pretty sure it would have been a recall job, but there have been no recalls so far, the parts wear down, but they never wear down to a point where they would fail.


    This has to have been over 1 year ago and I can't remember which parts were supposedly causing the problems :Angry:


    A few cars that had the problem, went back to Honda and had the work done under warrantee.
     
  18. Performancetek Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Its rife with EP3's that problem, some dealerships can manage to get honda to do it under warranty but very few. Best way to feel for it is to turn the engine on, whilst stationery quickly turn the steering wheel left to right about a qtr turn each way, if it feels loose for a second then gets heavy then the racks goosed.
     
  19. Performancetek Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

    Its rife with EP3's that problem, some dealerships can manage to get honda to do it under warranty but very few. Best way to feel for it is to turn the engine on, whilst stationery quickly turn the steering wheel left to right about a qtr turn each way, if it feels loose for a second then gets heavy then the racks goosed.
     
  20. CivicTypeReplica Senior Member ★ ★ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    So i assume when the rack is shot, it's not so much that you're gonna lose control/steering etc or even start making bad noises, just that you get some play and you can feel for it by the method described just above...?


    i will have to check it out.


    i know that the DC5 steering is much nicer than EP3, anyone have any pros/cons to talk about regards fitting a DC5 rack and pump setup?


    i'm a keen driver and a track user btw :Grin: