Engine & Gearbox Clutch or something worse?

Discussion in '3rd Generation (2006-2012)' started by agadza, Tuesday 25th Dec, 2018.

  1. agadza Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Excellent know-how by @honda_saj; backs up the notion that proper diagnosis is half the cure.

    One thing I am realising is that certain makes of car rarely suffer some kinds of breakdown so when they do, there is very little knowledge about how to fix them. Generalists can only guess and in some cases try throwing parts at the problem (if they can be bothered to fit them, that is!). The guys at the dealership were curious as to why I was buying a CSC at that mileage.
     
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  2. honda_saj Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    All in a days work :Ohdear: happy to help when people are getting ripped off by :whip: Mechanics getting told lies and stories.
    Guess what this so called clutch specialist garage didnt even have air or pump vaccuum bleeder they used one in car method. :brickwall::brickwall:
     
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  3. Nighthawk Club Manager Club Staff

    Some mechanics appear to get confused if its not diagnosed as per the book. Its hard, in my experience, to find a mechanic who is happy to look outside the box as such for a solution which is why I do most of my own work. (going to need to press some bushes out soon so Il take the LCA off and give that to a garage to replace as I don't have the kit, nor the energy, to fight about with them myself)

    Good work @honda_saj - nice when a member helps out another one
     
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  4. honda_saj Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    Some so called mechanics can't even work inside the box let alone outside, call themselves specialists and don't even have correct tools for job, lets be honest most so called mechanics are only worthy to be a grease monkey or spanner monkey, has very limited knowledge, no manuals and does a lot of guess work at the customers expense, when i had my clutch done the so called mechanic claimed he had 40 years of expierience yet he had never seen a performance clutch or flywheel let alone fit one, obviously i did not trust this guy to fit and ended up doing myself.
    I agree about lower control arm bushes can be a right :ShelfShoot::hairout: and garage with press could do easily although you would still need to be there unless you trust them to place new bushings straight and correctly to avoid premature wear and failure.
    When i used to used work as gym engineer, we used to have so called engineers with 20 years experience and still could not fit the main shaft bearings on a cross trainer correctly my name for them was :wanker: Engineer title comes with great responsibility and knowledge, the definition meaning is along these lines: A person qualified in a branch of engineering, especially as a professional.
    Are you fitting poly or hardened rubber bushing for lca ?

    Its what where here for to help out if it needs to be done in person then so be it, i don't mind traveling so always happy to help out.

    As for this issue the clutch master cylinder was never replaced and customer was charged for replacement and they never replaced leading me down direction of clutch slave cylinder although i did say on last inspection i suspect CMC is original and does not look like it has been replace, however without removing clutch pedal cannot confirm. :ninja:
     
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  5. agadza Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Update:
    Went to a garage with @honda_saj today. When the CMC was changed, the situation went back to what it was before @honda_saj adjusted it.:hairout: Verdict is that all the hydraulics are fine and it must be something within the clutch system that is causing the problem :annoyed:.
    I need to fork out for a Dual mass flywheel and a clutch kit:help:.
    Thinking of getting them off eBay. Has anyone bought these items off eBay before? How did they turn out?
     
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  7. agadza Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Thanks, @hukent
    This supplier claims they make the clutch kit themselves and its only the flywheel that is LUK brand. Does this sound a safe bet?
     
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  8. billycrv Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

    i was looking at cox and they have clutch kit with flywheel for 560
     
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  9. Matt at H-Tune Service Team H-Tune Staff

    From personal experience of a couple of CVT gearboxes, no.

    I forever found myself screaming at the gear selector a fair few times, especially in the K12 (03-09) 1.4 CVT Micra I daily drove a few years back... especially when I took it to Castle Combe for a 45 minute track time session that my project car wasn't ready for.
     
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  10. DrSam Club Moderator Club Staff

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    Whats the difference in price? Personally, I would get the clutch from a reputable company as changing the clutch is not a quick and easy job and not something I wouldn't want to do twice because of a faulty part. I'm not saying eBay parts are not trustworthy, I just like to play it safe.
     
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  11. honda_saj Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    some good points ebay is fine as long you know what manufacturer parts are being supplied, ads can be misleading by some sellers not all though.
     
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  12. agadza Club Member ★ ☆ ☆ ☆ ☆

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    Update

    Picked up the car from the garage today. Drives well, looks like the job was done right.

    Curiously, the faults they found with the old parts were:
    • The clutch release bearing was worn
    • The pressure plate was worn/faulty
    • The clutch itself was worn, friction material was quite eroded.
    • The DMF had excessive play in it.
      Pictures of the old parts attached.
    In all I think the real miracle was that the system worked for as long as it did and that the car actually drove perfectly when cold. This really restores my trust in Honda:Wink:!

    The mechanic did say that he had seem my kind of model requiring new clutches at the 70-75k miles mark. My clutch was the original one and getting 101k miles out of it was not bad. Other posts on this forum do seem to indicate that this is the case for a good number of CR-Vs.
    @Beefy was right in his initial opinion about my needing a clutch at that mileage:salute:.

    So, after two months of stress and (hundreds of £ lighter!):
    Firstly, massive thanks:clap: and big up:Thumbup: to @honda_saj. You were a great help in making the solution happen:Niceone:!
    Secondly, thanks to all the contributors to the thread. Really good to have the background knowledge when dealing with these challenges.
    Lastly, I hope the repair work holds up. Mechanic said I should get a good long life out of the new clutch!
    :peace:

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  13. honda_saj Club Veteran ★ ★ ★ ★ ★

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    No problem @agadza glad to see pics of old parts, sorry we had to go long way round on this as we were not sure of previous garages workmanship.

    Lessons of workmanship
    • Use an approved garage ideally goodgarage or motor ombudsman this way at least you know mechanics are qualified
    • If garage seems incompetent or messy walk away if they can't keep garage in order what chance is they can do vehicle properly
    • stay on site if not possible make sure you mark as many parts as you can get access to with tippex and ask for old parts
    Honda vehicles will drive even on their last leg and i said previously will nearly always you get you home even in limp mode :Smile:
    CR-V clutches are 4 wheel and 70-80k is good life of course if driven a lot on motorways then more mileage can be clocked up easily
    The Work will hold up and you know you have peace of mind as new clutch, flywheel, along with slave and master cylinder will means lots of flawless driving, be gentle with clutch for first few hundred miles. :Smile:
    Please to help you and meet in person must meet soon for a cuppa :Thumbup:
     
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